The Hive Five Podcast

5 Key Takeaways from Alex Terrell Russell

1. Be yourself.

2. Work hard.

3. Be kind.

4. Just do it.

5. Show up, shake hands, and look people in the eyes.


Today on the Hive Five Podcast, we are glad to be talking with Alex Terrell Russell. Alex is the founder of digital agency Oddly Natural, host of the podcast Naturally Abilene, recently ran for City Council in Abilene, and as of this episode’s recording is also an expectant mother. We talk to her about how she works to balance all of these projects and responsibilities, what life is like as a leading young professional in Abilene, and what it was like to run for City Council.

Alex grew up in Abilene, Texas. She went to school at Texas Tech and majored in public relations and political science. After college, she worked for a family business for two years before branching out and doing things she was passionate about. She started to run digital campaigns for small businesses and nonprofits. Through this, she began to fulfill her passion of helping grow businesses through the digital sphere and change the world through politics. What this spun into was Alex’s company Oddly Natural.

Oddly Natural was inspired by being a millennial herself. She was really passionate about giving millennials a positive story and a positive view in the world because of the bad stereotype aligned with them. With Oddly Natural, she wanted to work to give the demographic a bridge across the generation gap with older generations like baby boomers. Both so that baby boomers can reach millennials, and vice versa.

We also discuss how Alex broke into local politics and how it ultimately led to her running for office herself. In college, she became involved in the Abilene Young Professionals. Soon after graduating, she was asked to serve as president of the organization. An Abilene councilman actually saw her speak at an event, and reached out to her after the fact and asked her to run his campaign for mayor. Even though she had no experience running political races, he felt she had a unique advantage. He was one of the youngest councilman at 49, but even being the youngest there was still a gap between him and the younger millennial generation. Their strategy worked and he came from behind to beat the expected winner. It was after this that Alex found a spot to run herself. However, if you want to hear that story, you’ll have to listen to the episode.


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Keagan, it really is funny because millennials do get such a bad rap. Why do you think that is? Do we actually deserve it? I don’t think so. People think that we’re rude because we’re on our phones all the time, but really we’re just getting stuff done. We are. We’re just getting stuff done. But Alex, who we’re talking to is getting stuff done, but it’s really funny because she got pregnant and it wasn’t planned and it’s typical millennial right there. He millennial, like I told her in the podcast, millennials, just a fancy word for multitasker.
That’s right, and she is getting it done, so it’s going to be pretty fun to talk to her. Oh yeah. She’s a blast.
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Very important stuff. We are so excited today to have a personal friend of mine on the Hive Five podcast, Alex Terrell Russell. Alex is the founder of Oddly Natural, a digital PR and branding firm in Abilene, Texas. She recently ran for city council and also has a podcast of her own called Naturally Abilene. Alex is an expecting mother and looks adorable. So congratulations, Alex and welcome today,
Yeah, I know, I miss you. We’ve already recapped that in our previous conversation, but I’m so excited for everybody to hear your story today.
Thank you. Thank you all for having me.
Well, tell us a little bit about where you’ve come from and we’ll start there and then kind of go through your background a little bit more.
Okay, cool. Yeah, I grew up in Abilene, Texas. Um, I went to University of Tennessee my freshman year of college and then transferred to tech where I met the lovely Katherine, majored in public relations and political science, move back cab, had an internship in Fort Worth. My family has the family businesses in Abilene and so the one that was thought to take that over, my dad and aunt had gone off and started their own careers. So I thought I could go off to fort worth and do my thing and, and work in the glamorous advertising industry that we all heard through college and then come back and just take over the family business. And my grandmother, um, my senior year, summer kind of sent me down and said, and it’s not how it works. You got to kind of learn the ropes and if you want to take it over, it’s yours.
If not, that’s totally fine. Let us know. So I decided to say Novolin that summer and kind of learned the ropes and I met my husband just in that summer actually, and he’s the fellow Apollonian never thought I would find growing up and I just didn’t think I would find anyone that I’m not only that I would fall in love with have, but also that wanted to say it abaleen themselves, intergest and Russell, and then we dated my senior year of high school or college and I moved back and worked for family business for two years. My Dad ended up coming back and taking over and so it allowed me to sit back and do some things that I was really passionate about. And public relations and politics are that. I mean it’s kind of a weird combination I guess for someone, especially in our age demographic. But uh, yeah, we started with my business partner, grant Vancouver. We started oddly natural and started running campaigns for small businesses and nonprofits in abilene and helping them kind of into the digital era, if you will, is always a little bit behind in trends and especially the Internet age. And so we’re trying to help them get up to speed and grow their businesses and at the same time change the world through politics.
So Alex, I want to point out to all of our listeners that you were a young professional and that’s what we really want to talk to you about today is what it’s like to be a young professional and you are extremely involved and I know we’re going to get to talk about all of those different things. But aside from starting your business, I mean, you’re involved in the chamber. You ran for city council, you’re managing campaigns for, uh, the mayor of Abilene. So
you’re a very busy person.
Go ahead, sorry.
It’s wild to hear stuff like that because it’s always nice to hear. But then of course all this guilt this morning because I didn’t get you guys the takeaway that I needed to get you to this podcast and I have a million emails to catch up on. And so it’s nice to hear things like that. But I’m definitely just trying my best and I and and to me, I wouldn’t know what to do if I wasn’t constantly trying to affect positive change and work on different things.
I’ll take it. Thank you.
We all know that millennial is just a fancy word for multitasker.
I have not heard that, but I do. I love that we’re geniuses at multitasking.
Our detriment. I think it’s a fatal flaw of our generation, but it’s also I think what’s going to really shape our generation and in shape our features.
Absolutely. Well, let’s start with audley natural. You kind of gave us a glimpse of what it is. I know there’s probably more of a story behind that and I’m really curious about the name oddly natural and what that means to you.
Being millennials. I am really passionate about giving millennials a positive story and positive brand identity. I think we get such a bad rap sometimes. We all saw the Halloween costumes or the past couple of years where people robbing themselves in plastic wrap and bubble wrap and fragile on themselves and calling themselves millennials. You know, it’s the end of the day. We do, we get a bad rep for being lazy or continue or whatever it is. And I think that it’s not true. We’re just different. It’s like every other generation. We’re different. We’ve been connect to the internet most of our lives. We have different ways of doing things and so it’s all the natural Avellino. Catherine Abaleen is very, um, I was speaking to a young airman yesterday. I got there and he said what he really wanted to join a professional to do was to change the way that young people are able to get involved.
And He, it was young airman especially. He seen that there’s kind of gatekeeper and the older generation that you either have to know, get to know really well or your family has to know really well. And that’s true a lot of places, but it is definitely true in Abilene. And I think with all the natural I wanted to work to give, um, our demographic and abaleen young and old businesses. I wanted to work to come to kind of bridge that generation gap. And so I wanted a name that, you know, all the nationals or, or, uh, millennials are all about being kind of oxymoron, dried there. Um, we, we kind of like, I dunno, means that we like to be sarcastic and, and I wanted something that spoke to that a little bit. And so grant and I spent weeks coming up with this idea that, um, when an oxymoron, something that was positive, we also wanted it to be ourselves. And then to convey that are really pushed for act natural. I thought that act natural was a great because it is such an oxymoron if you’re acting, you’re not natural, but it works together. And there’s another company in Abilene Act Marketing and they’re great and we enjoy working with them. So we came to the conclusion that it was just too close to their name. And so then all the natural was born and it’s been. And it’s always something that catches people’s attention and we have to kind of explain it. But it’s a good story.
Just whatever you want to call them. In our daily lives and our marketing and our customer support. I literally use already today and I thought, oh my gosh, I, this
is kind of odd. I can’t believe I’m using these, but I had so much fun doing it. I communicate solely on Jeff’s and Bitmoji
beard on instagram for saying just instead of gifts, no one really knows, but we do. We use them so often in our daily lives. I think that’s how most of us communicate with our friends that are in different areas.
Yeah. What’s funny is that people think it is so important for you to say Jeff or gift correctly because that’s how
dealers so passionate about it. It’s a really emotional thing for our generation.
So. Funny. Well, let’s talk about your city council race a little bit. Um, I want, I want to, I’ve never ran for city council nor I don’t think I ever want to. That’s just not where my mind is, but for you, that’s where it was. So tell us a little bit about that because I know that’s a, that’s one of the things, I mean, you, you either win or you lose. And tell us about that. Tell us about the stresses.
Okay, well I um, I’ll begin with, I became involved in the album, they’re professionals organization when I was still in college actually, and graduated from tech in 2014, was asked to join the board a couple months before graduation, came back, jumped right into that for a year and those asked to serve as president and during my year as President I had a couple different speaking opportunities. And then councilman Anthony Williams, I’m happy to be in the crowd at a couple of different of those events where I spoke, he introduced himself. We got to know each other a little bit. Not really. We weren’t mean Mr Rogers radar, but all of a sudden one day in December I got a call from him and he asked to have coffee and sit me down and told me that he was thinking about running for mayor the following spring and again, didn’t know each other.
He, um, he, he expressed me his views, what he wanted for traveling and that really shockingly to me, he wanted me to run his campaign because he felt that there was this great divide in the generation. He’s, he’s one of our youngest councilman, actually at 49 years old, she might be 50 this year, but one of our youngest councilman and at that time, and he, he even said that as an old quote, old in his word, old guy, but there was a huge gap between his demographic and the young people who were really starting to rise up and build businesses and, and he was a frustration that he really wanted to bridge. And so I asked him for about a month. I went back and thought about it a grant and I had actually just started the natural. We filed our secretary of state on November eighth, 2016.
And then December of that year is when Mayor Williams and I met for coffee and ask them for a little bit time to think about it. Grant was amazing. He, um, grit and I really connected actually he grant and I connected over a podcast that he was doing called people to Abilene and he was interviewing me as president of Abilene and professionals. That’s how we met. And we talked for hours him for this to start a business together, did it, and then next thing he knows I’m trying to run off to run and my oral campaign, which is a huge endeavor. It’s huge. Especially. Yeah, especially time commitment. But one of the things that greg and I really connected over was this really kind of odd love for marketing and public relations and all things new and trendy in accordance with politics. We both really loved that realm. We like making those work together.
Um, we like getting our demographic involved in politics in ways that are new and fun. And so he was really supportive. He was really, really supportive. I think he was also excited. He worked very behind the scenes for mayor William t took on a huge responsibility with all the natural and getting it up off the ground and taking care of our new clients that we had already promised things. And not only that he was, I mean, if I could, you know, if I had advisors and he was definitely my top advisor and he did the design. He put my ideas into lie for Anthony’s campaigns, did all the design of the website and everything. It was just a huge team player. And so a mayor Williams came from behind. Really. I mean, he was up against the guy who was, um, essentially the big money guy in town and um, everyone, even though this, this man wasn’t, he had started on council previously, but he wasn’t currently on council and Mayor William Time Councilman Williams was the longest serving councilman.
And so to me it was his turn, but, um, but to others it was, it was, uh, it was his opponent kind of turn to step up and take over as mayor. So we came from behind. I think when we were in a great new campaign. We did a lot of digital stuff. I’m connected really, really well with the younger demographic and the minority demographics and people that people that no one was talking to before, people that no one had ever given a chance to be involved in politics before we were knocking on their doors and asking them to come visit us and going to their homes and taking them out to lunch and asking them what they needed. Um, we got a huge voter registry turnout and ended up winning and not only winning, but we spent a third of the money that our opponents that, um, and it, it, it was so exciting to me, but at the end of the day, I don’t really know that I felt like I had one.
I feel like I accomplished something really amazing. I was really proud of Mayor Williams and excited for what he was going to be able to accomplish, but it, they weren’t. Those weren’t my ideas. Those weren’t, you know, at the end of that, I mean, he was the candidate. I mean, he was a, he was the ideas. I was just bringing his ideas to life. I was what we do as marketers. I was, I was figuring out how to tell his story. Um, so they kind of left knee with a little bit of what, what’s next, what else can I do, how do I keep this going? And the opportunity came up. There was um, there was a seat opening up for city council and I’m not opening up, but there was a, um, it was, it was coming up for reelection for um, a fairly unpopular incumbents in abilene and one that I definitely disagreed with and I thought I’m going to run if I’m going to do it, I’m not going to run to get someone that I, like, I’m not gonna run against someone who I agree with and I think is doing a good job.
So I decided that the next spring after I, I accompanied the chamber on DC lobbying trip or dyess air force base and less that trip just really inspired and motivated a lot of young airman that a lot of, you know, once you get out of Abaleen you, you’re reminded of how many, you know, how many others there are out there. Like you and how many people are really working to change and do some great things in the world. And so I kind of rallied the wagons if you will. And I, I did the typical meetings and a lot of people in Adelaide who I thought could help with the campaign and found out I would have some support. My husband was incredibly supportive. Grant again, was incredibly supportive. Um, and I wrote a blog post in November declaring my candidacy and it got huge traction.
I had, you know, media outlets and others calling me within an hour to, to report on my blog post and I got a lot of flack for that, but because I had now my city council candidates and a blog was. But it was very intentional to me. That was my time. That was my era of my generation. I, I, I did not by any means want to, um, I guess, uh, not go after the support of the older generations. But I knew that I needed to get my generation out to vote and to support and I’m a blog post was really the best way to do that. If that time, so I now, so we ran a really long campaign mean especially for city council in November to May, was just long and tiring, but incredibly, incredibly fruitful and rewarding. Um, met a lot of amazing people.
Truly got to know my community better than I could’ve ever before. Um, I all, I do think you have, if you ever get the opportunity to run and it is, it’s completely draining on resources, mental energy, physical energy, but it is incredibly rewarding. You get to know people around you in a way that you would’ve never before. I got to meet people that I would have never engaged and interacted with before and hear their stories and their struggles. And um, and I, I’m just really, really thankful for the opportunity. We did a lot, you know, a lot better than most people thought we were going to do, but a lot worse than I thought we were going to do. Um, you know, we ended up coming in third and three person. It was 27, 34, 38 and my other two opponents went into a runoff election and we did an unseating the incumbent. So at the end of the day, the goal was the goal was achieved and I’m proud of the guy that is in place to now. I think he’ll hopefully do some good things. He’s a lot more forward thinking than at least the previous incumbent was. But, um, the election was May 5th, I found out I was pregnant on April first in Charleston and we were in Charleston for a wedding. So. Yeah. And it was not expected. It was not planned. It’s a crazy story, but we did not think you could have right now at this time. So.
And he hasn’t. He said, listen, I know that you’re going to need some help getting over this loss.
Yes. Absolutely. So yeah, April first on out, we were pregnant. We were already about that
can weeks along and um, and we had the debate didn’t start until April of the campaign to remind the voters and we had more debates scheduled in the month of April and one of them was at a local Deli in downtown Abbey at 8:30 in the morning. It’s a great restaurant at.
I don’t think I’m ever going to,
you know, we had 130 people show up for our watch party that night. So they showed up. They watched the results with us. We know, we cried together, we laughed together and um, and it was a great experience. I wouldn’t have changed it at all. I think I’m better for it and I gained a lot of friends and I gained a lot of traction in the community, but things that I still want to get done. So it’s not for everyone, but I do
recommended we, you know, the young professionals group was strong. The chamber group is strong, but to really be your age and getting involved in the politics and running against people with life experience, you’ve lived in Adelaide all their life. I mean that was, I can’t imagine how much of a challenge all of it was and being pregnant on top of that, the millennial version of getting pregnant like right before, you know, all these things. I feel like that’s how my life is with my wife as well, is that we do so much. We were multitasking. We’re doing all these things and all these life events occur as we’re doing them. Different generations. I might be speaking out of turn here, but a lot of the people on the other generations, it’s like they have, they have it planned, you know, like, okay, we’re going to buy a house in 32,
No, the world we grew up in an age of 24 hour news cycle. I mean all of the opportunities we have at our fingertips, we are go, go, go. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I mean I think eventually we’re going to have to figure out how to step back and really gain perspective and insight because right now it’s quick. It’s all rolled, goes. It doesn’t allow time for that, but that’s our world. Just figuring out how to keep up with these new cycles, but I do think that’s gonna be an issue, but the truth of it is right now it’s a brilliant thing that we have all of the technology and all of these different ways to have different opportunities and so we don’t have time to sit back. I mean there’s such a sense of urgency with us and it’s amazing because we’re getting so much done.
We have the opportunity to make the absolute most of our time. And I think it’s. I think it’s awesome. I, I have this kind of um, anxiety, such a, such an, such a word, such a kind of a particular word for our generation but me, for a lot of times it’s, it’s, it’s good anxiety. I mean it’s excitement, it’s anxious energy. It’s, I’m not doing something or creating or I’m trying to help in some way that I feel like I’m wasting my talents and my time. And I think that’s a great thing. Especially DABS, opportunities to actually capitalize on those things.
My husband, I think we’ll probably take my phone away. Political moves though. Justin take her phone away,
were due on November 20 tickets, so that’s Thanksgiving Day this year and we have our big midterms coming up in November and it’s a big election and it’s a big election for the, some of the candidates that I really like and have helped support and so, and, and I, and I’m, I think I’m going to hopefully go into labor before November 20, so get my doctor and so, and he thinks 37 weeks would be, would be the perfect time to give birth in and everyone would kind of joke is that if Alex is going into Labor on election day, um, there’s going to be, the hospital’s not going to be able to keep my screen,
contains my room. I’m going to be in so much pain. I’m so anxious.
Theater is going to be need to be in my read. Maybe he’ll be the best thing because I’ll be else.
So as a fellow podcaster, I want to know about naturally abaleen.
So what do you focus on and like, who should listen?
Sure. So thank you all for that. That’s awesome. I know we all have limited time, so the fact that you all give that platform to others is awesome. I grant, I grant and I met because he was, um, he, he has a master’s in marketing and marketing actually, and he was back home making websites and doing podcasts and before, I mean definitely still all in podcast strain, but this was two years ago and um, he was going around and getting interviews with really high level people in Abilene and I was not high level but I was president of aboriginal professionals and that provided a unique perspective and once that kind of fizzled out, but there just wasn’t, there wasn’t anyone else to interview necessarily. And so we took a step back, started doing other things will all be natural. And then we started having one on the natural took off and grant and I got more and more involved in community.
We had so many young professionals, professionals of all entrepreneurs, just different people coming up to us and saying, this is so cool. Well, you know, I want my business to go this way. I want to start engaging in your platform. Just because I see you have this many followers and I love that you guys engage with people on, on social media and I want to learn how to do that. And so we started a podcast naturally abaleen in it and it just kind of aims to serve people in Abilene that are comfortable talking and, or not comfortable talking, but that have a business, has nothing to do that they love and um, and want to and we want to give them a platform to share that because I mean in avalene it’s not, you know, it’s, it’s a lot of time about who, you know, um, how you get a foot in the door.
And we wanted to celebrate people who were just doing cool things, who were stepping up and taking control of their lives, building their own businesses, being entrepreneurs no matter what age or walk of life they were in. And we have not had trouble getting finding guests yet. And I think that’s something that really speaks to abalene grant is working with the chamber and some others to come up with kind of a marketing campaign. Bradley and kind of brand abaleen and give abilene a sense of awareness and a story that we’ve not necessarily had and grants taglines make it an abilene and I think that’s brilliant because that’s what so many people are doing these days. I wouldn’t dive great cost of living. We have buildings downtown that are begging to be used and builds and remodels and good spaces, good people. I’m really affordable and it. I think it turned into something really. It is turning into something really exciting. So our podcast just really serves to to express all of that and to promote all of that and, and there are some people doing some really kick ass things and we’re happy to be able to celebrate and promote them.
That’s exactly why you ended up on this podcast. Our podcasts are actually really similar, but we were looking for those people that are doing cool things and entrepreneurial spirits and those young professionals that are just trying to break the mold and so, you know, we appreciate you being on today to, to help us celebrate that as well. You know, in doing, we’ve learned that it takes a lot more effort and work than we initially anticipated, but it’s, yeah, but it’s been so much more beneficial than we ever guessed. So what struggles have you faced with the podcast and what advice do you have for someone looking to start? One
US struggle with you guys struggled with me with my podcast is everyone’s so busy. Things we’ve talked about is millennials trying to do, make the most of their time, getting someone to sit down for 30 minutes to an hour, um, is difficult in itself, but getting them to also be able to open up and talk about themselves, create some anxiety for the guests and some people think they can’t do that. Um, and people that are really good at are usually really, really busy doing other things. And so that we’ve had to kind of be able to figure out how. Because grant and I are great at just sitting down and talking, we, we, we, we love to do that. We can sit down and just be with each other all day long. And we had to quickly realize that that’s not a podcast, can’t just be that.
I think a lot of our favorite podcast that we listened to, it seems like that’s what they’re doing, right? It seems like they’re sitting down and just then just turning the mic on and talking. And I think eventually it can develop into that. But you do. You have to have a structure. You have to be prepared. You have to have an interesting thing to talk about. I think what I have learned in my research is that my favorite podcast and best podcasts, they do their research, they have the best best ones, the ones who have gained millions of followers and listeners and have great research team. I mean dive into background and they make it seem so natural. But they do. They do the work, do the work. They do the prep work to be able to have really interesting stories and questions to talk about.
Not only make their guests feel comfortable and keep the conversation going, but just to provide a good, a good story to something. Something that’s worth people’s, you know, 30 minutes to an hour of listening time out of their day. So I think that’s both the challenge and the advice that I would give is um, it is really fun to sit down and just talk with your friends and it and a lot of times it can just be that, but sometimes you’ve got to really do the work to, to prepare and you sent me a two page, like I’m no saint. I mean it’s awesome. I mean you guys have have it going on because I, I feel like I’m fairly comfortable and talking, but these past few days I’ve been hectic and crazy and I was a little bit nervous about sending out, having enough to say. And then I got your notes this morning and got excited and ready to talk to you guys. So I think that’s what it takes is just doing the work to make your guests feel comfortable and making them feel appreciated and keeping the conversation going.
Well, I think our content guy is either texting me right now asking for a raise since you’re telling how great he is. I’m jumping up and down celebrating that he’s doing something right, so we really, and he’s doing a great job. So we want to get into it though. One of our last things as the Hive Five, we want to make sure that we have five key takeaways from you that our listeners can grow from that can benefit from. So what would those five key takeaways be?
Okay, so really simple, and I think about this a lot. Um, be yourself as cliche as that is. Figure out who yourself is and if you pray, meditate, whatever. Getting back to your core self is do that and be that and try to be that every single day and on the days that you can’t or don’t give yourself a little bit of grace in that, um, but on the days you were motivated and you feel inspired, they’ll sit down and work your butt off and build on that. Work hard, work hard, whatever that means for you. Work really hard to get whatever you want to accomplish, accomplish. That’s the bottom line is you’ve got to, you’ve got to put the effort in and work means a lot of different things for a lot of different people. If you’re a stay at home mom and you want to build a lifestyle brands and carve out the time, keep your promises to yourself and carve out the time to do that. And again, kindness is something different to everyone and it’s inspiring and our world needs more of that, especially in our busy day to day life. So be kind to yourself and others. Just do it. I mean really, I mean everyone was so amazed that my city council and I was scared shitless the whole time.
How did you write that? How do you speak like that? I have no idea.
I have no idea.
I would get one sentence in my head of like, oh, that sounds pretty good.
Just do it, you know? I know. I know. And again, it, they
can. We hear them so often, but if you sit down and really think about them, they turn into cliche because they’re repeated so often and they’re repeated so often for, for reasons. So just do it. Just get started. Just do it. Whatever it is you want to do, just do it. Give yourself grace when you fail and figure out how to turn it into something positive. And then I think the last thing in this truly to me is one of the most important things. Show up, shake hands and look people in the eye. Um, I, it’s, it, it’s, it’s amazing how many people don’t do that often anymore, especially as much as we communicate with each other through it. It’s amazing with your friends through social media and um, and I really take pride in, in being able to do that because my friends are all over the place and gather I think will be lifelong friends. And I think a lot of that will come through social media and I’m, I’m so happy for that. But I do hope with each other. We can sit down and talk and talk about the things you really care about and I think that just shows that you care about what other person saying and it’s a lost art in our age, but yourself, work hard, be kind, just do it. Show up, shake hands, but people in the eye.
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