The Hive Five Podcast

5 Key Takeaways from Justin Wren

1. Love like you’ve never been hurt.

2. If you think you’re too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a tent with a mosquito.

3. If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.

4. Live to love. (Fight for people)

5. What would you do if you knew you’d never fail?

6. BONUS Takeaway – If you need a reminder that you aren’t in charge, get a bulldog.


We have an AWESOME treat for you guys today on the Hive Five Podcast! We are super excited to sit down with Justin Wren, the MMA fighter, founder of the nonprofit Fight for the Forgotten, and anti-bullying advocate. Fight for the Forgotten works to fight for the Mbuti pygmy tribe in the Eastern Congo, the thirsty all around the world, and the bullied community in the United States.

Justin grew up getting heavily bullied throughout elementary and middle school, so he has a special calling toward helping the bullied in America. Through this calling, he has worked to help the Mbuti pygmy tribe, who anthropologists call the most oppressed group on the face of the earth. With regards to the thirsty, the water crisis is the biggest “bully” on earth. Fight for the Forgotten exists to fight all three of these “bullies”.

This is episode is extremely encouraging and packed full of redemption and servitude. Justin was a six-year drug addict and in the midst of a dark period of depression. He was living at the Olympic training center, as a world class athlete doing MMA. It was at this point that he kind of hit rock bottom and knew he needed to make a change. Coming out of this depression, he just felt a calling to make a difference. He didn’t quite know what that meant, but started volunteering his time in places like the Denver Rescue Mission, a children’s hospital, and drug rehab facilities. Around this time, he heard about the pygmies and their plight. They call themselves the “Forgotten People”, and between 400,000-600,000 Mbuti pygmies are actually enslaved currently. Immediately, Justin was pulled towards helping this people group. Fight for the Forgotten was born through this calling and Justin has worked hard to give this “Forgotten People” a voice and empower them to come out of slavery. He has helped them gain 3,000 acres of land that they own, as well as drill 13 different water wells to provide them with clean drinking water.

This is only the tip of the iceberg for what is included in this episode, so definitely listen to the full episode and you definitely won’t be disappointed!


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Hey guys, it’s Keagan with BriteBee and this is Katherine with BriteBee thanks for being on the Hive Five podcast today and today we’re really excited to down with Justin Wren, a former MMA champion, but more importantly, the founder of Fight for the Forgotten. Justin, welcome.
Hey, thank you so much for having me.
Well, I was going to do a longer intro, but we just decided that rather than butcher it all, uh, we would rather you just kind of tell us more about what fight for the forgotten is and your story behind it.
Yeah. So fight for the forgotten a has expanded. We are doing a few initiatives but it, our origin story starts among the Mbuti, pygmies, pygmies deep in the eastern Congo, rain forest, the rain forest, and we did land water and food initiatives among them. Uh, everyone else calls them the forest people, but they call themselves the forgotten. That’s their identity. That’s who they say they are, is the forgotten people. Um, so since I’m a fighter, I’m professionally and making a comeback into the professional fighting world. We’re calling you. We call it fight for the forgotten. Um, so we, we want to live to love and we want to fight for people and we do that with the pygmies. I’m thirsty, uh, around the world and the bullied here state side. So those are three initiatives are for them, a boutique pygmies, uh, the bullied and the thirsty.
So we, we drill water wells and we also have a bullying, uh, initiative, uh, curriculum and we’re really excited about that. We kicked that off October of 2018. And so we’re just really blessed, really fortunate to be getting into that. I’m kind of, my background was I grew up getting very heavily bullied. Um, I sat at the table by myself, got pelted in the back of the head with chocolate milk, spit wads pieces of food and people’s fist. Uh, so it was a tough way to grow up from third grade to eighth grade. Um, but, uh, now it’s given me more compassion and empathy and understanding for what kids are going through nowadays. Um, so that’s, that’s kind of why we have a heart for the bullied here. State side, the Mbuti, pygmies, a lot of people call them anthropologist, called them the most oppressed people group on earth. Another way to say that would be the most bullied. Um, and for the thirsty, I would say that the water crisis is a, the biggest bully on earth. It’s the number one cause of death among the, uh, uh, the developing world takes the lives of three point 4 million people a year and 2 million of those are children under the age of five.
Wow. So can you give me a little bit of background of how you met this tribe because you didn’t just find them on Google, right? A forgotten tribe. I’m assuming that they don’t have a lot of information on Google. Um, so can you tell us a little bit about your story of how you came to know them and what inspired you to, to fight for them?
So I went through a deep, dark and dangerous, uh, depression. Um, I, uh, was a six year old drug addict. I got hooked on Oxy, had a surgery and had to wait four months for a good surgeon to do my surgery because I was a world class athlete and a living at the Olympic training center. Um, and yeah, so, uh, once I came out of that depression, once it came out of the addiction, I just wanted to make a difference. And I started working at the local children’s hospital, became an official volunteer there, went through night classes and training for that, um, uh, started working at the Denver rescue mission, uh, for the homeless, uh, from there sir, working at some drug rehab facilities, um, and just, just started trying to make a difference wherever I could. And whenever I heard about the plight of the pygmies, when that was brought to light, I just knew it was a fight that, that needed to happen, that needed to take place, that it’s much better to fight for people.
Um, and against him even though as a professional fighter. Um, and yeah, I would say the way that I found that pygmies is kind of wild and crazy. Um, but, uh, I would say that I just had a vision. I’m a movie in my mind and I know that can sound nuts. It can sound crazy. But I was in the rain forest and I was somewhere a walking down these footpaths. I heard drumming and then I heard singing and then I broke into this opening and it’s five. I’m talking about a literal, a movie in my mind, a vision kind of happened and didn’t expect it, didn’t plan for it, never knew that could happen, would happen. Um, and when I met these people that I knew that they were hungry and thirsty and poor and sick and oppressed, and I knew that they were enslaved, um, which is actually true.
A $400, 600,000 but boutique pygmies in the Congo. And uh, yeah, so I came out of that vision crying, literally had a little puddle of tears on the ground, um, didn’t know who they were, where they were. And a three and a half days later or three days later, I told a friend of mine, um, and he was a friend that actually I met him the day I had the vision. His name’s caleb is low. And he wrote a book called dangerous. He did that with a guy named bear grylls, um, who wrote the foreword of the book. And uh, I told these guys because I was like, well, they’re kind of wild to kind of crazy. And uh, I know the vision. I had his wild and crazy and I feel kind of like a, not feel kind of crazy. Um, and when I told him, he said in three and a half weeks he’s going to them a pygmies that if there’s anyone that’s forgotten, it’s them.
And he invited me on a trip with them. And so I went and yeah, three and a half weeks later to the day of that vision, we’re walking down the footpath, we hear drumming you’re seeing. And then we meet these people that are hungry and thirsty and poor and sick and oppressed and literally enslaved. And so that’s kind of my once in a lifetime kind of moment of a, I would call it fate. They adopted me in to their tribe. They said everyone else calls them the force people they call themselves the forgotten. And they said they didn’t have a voice and asked me if I could help them have one. Um, and so that’s what I’m attempting to do even right now is to give their suffering a voice, uh, to give a voice to the voiceless and to start the organization fight for the forgotten was really just to empower them.
It’s to defend the weak, loved the unloved and to empower the voiceless. And so yeah, and I know that can sound nuts. I can sound wild. I’m, I’m, I’m starting to get more comfortable, uh, sharing the story. Um, but that’s, that’s the origin of how, how I found them. That was at that time, it really wasn’t google a google friendly. Um, and we’ve done a lot of work to try to get their, their plight out there. I’m from going on different podcasts like Joe Rogan’s and um, I don’t know, Jimmy Kimmel picking it up and the today show. I’m just trying to tell people what’s going on deep in the rainforest of Africa.
Definitely do not be afraid to share that story that you just shared with us because I can’t imagine anything that could have painted a better visual. And I literally had goosebumps on my arms thinking that you had that dream and then it became a reality. Like what? A unique and unbelievable story that is. So thank you so much for sharing that with us. You know, earlier when you, when you said fight for the forgotten and you referred to how they call themselves, forgotten that that word is like very impactful. Like it, it made me feel something to hear somebody else refer to themselves as forgotten. Like I feel like that almost breaks your heart a little bit.
Oh yeah, definitely. Uh, when they told me that I actually, uh, I actually did cry. So, um, I was wiping tears and just saying like, man, no one, no one should be forgotten. And how can we do our best to race that identity or to fight against it and say you aren’t forgotten your loved, you are important. You’re cared about. Um, and uh, your suffering doesn’t need to be as much as it is right now. So how can we alleviate that a little bit? And so that came with basic human rights of land, water and food.
Justin, can you give us a brief idea and picture of the tribe itself and maybe just the culture and when they say forgotten, I mean, are they, are they downcast, I mean, when you walked in, were they, were they downcast or just tell us a little bit more about the tribe itself. Like how, how could you describe it for us? The people?
Yeah. So the pygmies average height is only four foot seven a and that’s for the men. So that’s uh, that’s the average, that’s the average height. So anyone or most people state side, uh, would, would tower over them. And so they are the smaller quote unquote weaker people group. At least that’s how they’re seen and interpreted. And they live in little twig and leaf huts. The huts, the roof of them are probably only four and a half, five feet tall. Um, so they barely stand up and on themselves and they make, yeah, the walls or leaves the bricks. Basically the shingles are leaves and the bricks are a little twigs about the size of your thumb. Uh, they sleep on the dirt. I’ve never met him, a boutique pygmy that owns a blanket, the blanket of the fires, their blanket. Um, when it rains, it trickles inside.
It could even rush inside. Um, and yeah, it’s a, it’s a difficult, it’s a difficult life. Uh, and uh, yeah, different anthropologists say different things. There’s different studies, but one study says one out of two children die before the age of five and another says six out of 10 of their children die before the age of five. Um, so they have the, I think the highest or one of the highest child mortality rates in the world. They also have the lowest life expectancy. I think it’s, I think there’s two different stats and one says 28 years old. Another other says 32 years old is their average life expectancy. So they just, um, they live in really rough conditions. They live in a tropical climate that’s full of disease and malaria and typhoid and cholera. And Ebola is there right now. Another outbreak of Ebola has happened.
And Benny, which is south of [inaudible], which is a, I don’t know, 60 to 100 miles away from where we work, um, with the pygmies. So we’re hoping and praying that it doesn’t spread, that they can contain it. I’m one of the reasons it spread so easily. There is a, um, I think since the Ebola outbreak in 2014 that everyone knew about, I think there’s been four or five outbreaks of Ebola in Congo. Um, reason being is they eat to just cultural, they’re the eat bats and they eat a monkey’s quite a bit of monkey. So much so that I’ve eaten a few different monkeys and I didn’t know about a bullet then. Um, so it’s a, it’s a different life, but they’re incredible people. I mean, they’re brilliant. I love them. And that’s why we’ve worked to get them back 3000 acres of land that they own.
It’s kind of like 10 different plots of land. And uh, that is like 10 different reservations type, uh, of protected land that they own, that they live on that’s recognized by the local, the state and the national government. Um, that’s why we’ve been able to teach a team there to drill water wells. I helped drill the first 13 water wells. That team has now drilled over 70 water wells and I love a swahili proverb, a, there’s a swahili proverb that says that they modeled in front of me and it says if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, go together. And I just think that’s a really impactful thing to think about. We can, we can go, we can go fast alone, but if we want to go far, if we’re in this life, which isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon, uh, we need to go together. Yeah, I love that. That’s really, really awesome. And Justin, we have
so much more to talk about, but I want to go ahead and start easing into your five key takeaways because what you’ve got to say is really great. And I think that some of your takeaways are going to allow us also to talk a little bit more about the state side issue that you mentioned in bullying, which I’m sure there’s a lot of people out there that are interested in that topic. So let’s go ahead and talk about your first takeaway. Love, like you’ve never been hurt. Give us a little background on this.
Well, it’s a quote that I heard recently. I believe the origin or the beginning of this quote, at least the best they can tell or track it down. Um, I forget his name right now. I need to remember that name, but it was the first African American professional pitcher in the major leagues. Um, so he wasn’t the first African American, but he was the first mlb pitcher and they talked to him and he would get heckled. I’m in so many games and he would, there’s some, there’s some pretty incredible stories about him. He had to be so great to make it in the mlb, um, because of who he was and how he was discriminated against. Um, and there would be times that they would be heckling him, his own team, his own, uh, fans and the other team would be heckling them too. And the, in baseball there is a, uh, you know, how you put out three batters and then you put your fourth batter, you want, you want a good, a good batter to try to knock in a home run.
Well, the, there’s three men on base on base, so they’re like the clinch headers and they sometimes they would put all four clinch hitters back to back to back to back to just try to defeat this, this picture. And uh, he would look back and he would tell his own team that’s on first on second shortstop and third, a third base. You tell him to sit down, even the people in the outfield sit down and, um, and he would go on to strike out the next four, the next three batters just back to back to back without even needing any of his, uh, his, his team. He, I think he was driven from a place that, that few of us know, a place of suffering. Um, a place of, uh, of coming against humiliation in just discrimination. And so, um, I’m really inspired that, that whenever they asked him, you know, how, how do you do it, you know, how do you go out here day after day and play like you do?
He said a couple of things, I forget what he said first, but he would wrap it up with and then you just got to love, like you’ve never been hurt. And so I think that makes the quote even that much more powerful that it came from a man, uh, overcoming insurmountable odds. And he said, you know, how, how do you do this? And he would say, you just got to love, like you’ve never been hurt. Uh, and so I just, I’m really appreciate that about the quote and it’s one of my takeaways because I think there’s many times in life that you’re gonna you’re gonna come against things that hurt you and you’re going to be around people, whether that’s in the workplace or whether it’s at school, but you’re going to or, or especially whenever you hear with friends and family, those that, that we love the most, oftentimes hurt us, the most released, have that ability to hurt us the most.
And so, um, I just love that takeaway. You’ve got to live this life to love people, I think, uh, and, and we got to love like we’ve never been hurt. What part of your life would you say that, that really comes out in? Yeah, I would say that for me personally, it’s been a journey that I’ve walked, um, especially in recent years from starting a nonprofit. Um, and uh, I would say there’s a lot of corruption in Congo. There’s times that our truck has been locked up on the border of Uganda and Congo and we’re taking in a well drilling truck that has all of this equipment that’s going to be helping these people, uh, or at least the citizens of this nation and um, and to have corrupt officials try to slow you down, literally lock you away or at least our team members and me on the outside trying to get our truck and our people, uh, released so that we can go on and do the work that we feel most called to do, that’s going to benefit and blessed the most people just being slowed down and stopped and discriminated against or um, uh, just because of, of what we’re doing, why we’re doing it and because the, the officials might say, well, you might be helping our people, but that doesn’t help me.
So I, you know, them holding their hands out for a bribe and wanting, like, for example, $8,000 just to let her go a week early and a or week late actually. Do, do you say you want to fight for it? Yeah, I, I, oftentimes I do. No, just kidding. That would be fun. Would be when you want to vibe. Let’s, let’s, let’s make a bet that you’ll have to use that one next time. Next time. You know what I have used though as they’ve said, you have to give us something. Um, and there’s been one time where I gave him just a great big hug and I love that. And they were like, what are you doing? And I said, you said give you something. So there you go. That is good. Laugh. Made him chuckle to aware they, they let us go. And so I feel like there’s just times, there’s also times where you’re working together and, and uh, relationships don’t go exactly the way that you hoped or planned even though both parties have the best of intentions.
Maybe not the most follow through, but there’s times that you just have to say, you know what, I love Ya and I’m going to continue to love, like I’ve never been hurt like this situation didn’t happen. Um, and so yeah, I would say it’s easier to say it’s harder to walk out, but just having that intention helps a lot. Uh, the follow through is where it gets tough. The follow through is where it gets hard. Um, but, but just being able to love like you’ve never been hurt is something that I think is a good principal.
So I mentioned it a second ago that one of your big things is bullying prevention and I feel like love, like you’ve never been hurt probably really speaks to that as well. And so I want to hear how this takeaway has either influenced or come from that mission as well. And maybe even like what else would you say to people who either maybe or being feeling bullied or feeling forgotten and how, I guess advice for how they can love, like they’ve never been heard and how practicing that helps them overcome that.
Yeah. So the Vision Statement of fight for the forgotten is overcoming oppression with overwhelming opportunity. And the mission statement is fight for the forgotten exists to defeat. Hate with love is to defeat hate with love and bullying. Um, it’s, it’s got a lot to it, but I often feel like the people that are the bullies oftentimes didn’t receive love in, in their fundamental years of development. There are stuff that was going on. Sometimes it’s just out of meanness and they’ve got everything going for them and maybe, maybe not, but a lot of times, um, you know, we, we oftentimes think, well, these people don’t know what I’m going through a, but we rarely think I’m me and I, I don’t know what they’re going through. And so I think that love, like you’ve never been hurt is something that is so crucial with anti-bullying, with bullying prevention and with character development.
Um, we weren’t. And I think martial arts is so good at supporting and encouraging things like self respect. I’m a self discipline, self value, self at builds that inside of people. And that’s what we want our bullying prevention curriculum to do is to inspire people that, hey, you’re a, you’re a hero in waiting. And how, and what does that mean? I think, I think there’s three paths we can choose whenever we see bullying or whenever it comes to bullying and you can be the perpetrator of evil or perpetrator of wrongdoing, or you can be the bully. You can also choose another path which I think is the path most often taken in. That would be, uh, the path of indifference, an action or, or just being inactive a, which means turning a blind eye. Um, and, and, uh, how would I say it in action in difference which, which most people would think that there are innocent bystander, but really if you’re standing by the bully, sees that, feels that the body language of that and that that’s being a silent supporter.
It’s not being an innocent bystander. You might think you are. But once, once you see bullying, you’re now involved. If you know what’s going on, you’re involved. Um, and so you can either be a fellow perpetrator of wrongdoing by laughing or chuckling, or you can be a silent supporter by doing nothing, by being indifferent, or you can be that hero in waiting that then stands up and speaks out and does something about it. Um, and you can do that in a loving way. You can love, like you’ve never been hurt. You can love for that person in that place that’s being bullied. You can invite them in, you can include them. And I think that inclusion instead of exclusion is one of the best ways to defeat bullying, to defeat, hate with love is to just include that person in your circle or just with you one on one.
Um, and that takes that personnel. A lot of people don’t know that when it comes to bullying, nine times out of 10, it can be shut down within the first five seconds of someone’s saying something, just something. It can be anything and behave. That’s not cool. Um, hey, stop that. Hey, that’s not nice. That’s not kind. Hey, come sit over here with me. Hey, leave him alone. I mean, those, those kind of innocent things that really don’t instigate a much backlash at all, that that’s the real statistic is 87 percent of the time it stops within the first five seconds if someone’s saying something. So I, I hope that encourages people, you know, you got a nine out of 10 shot, um, that, that you can be someone else’s hero encouragement. Um, it can be someone’s defender, you can chill, we can shield each other, we can protect one another just by saying something by, by having the courage to stand up and say something to stand up and be kind. Um, and, and so, I don’t know. That’s how I think love, like you’ve never been hurt. Kind of comes together with a bullying prevention.
I think that moves us into our next takeaway. Pretty good segway into if you think you’re too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a tent with a mosquito.
Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah. So sleep in a tent with a mosquito or sleep in a closed room with a mosquito torture for me. Right? It affects us all. And for me, um, I mean, one, one mosquito in the room can affect 10 people. I mean, they can, we can all, uh, be, be burdened by a little mosquito that doesn’t give away a gram, right?
No, I’ve always thought about a mosquito is a negative thing until you put it in that sense. Now I could, I could see if the, if the mosquito was a good thing, how it could have a great impact.
Yeah. And I think that that’s something that we as people need to see and know as like, wow, you know, what, mosquitoes are terrible little creatures, but they make a big difference in this world. And so how can we spend that for the positive? Well, we’re the size of thousands and thousands of mosquitoes. Um, so how much more of a difference can we make a than they can? And so, um, yeah, for me, having malaria, I’ve had malaria three different times now. Holy Moly. First Time almost killed me. And so, uh, I don’t know if something that small can make that big of a difference. How much, how much more of a difference can we make?
Yeah, no doubt. You mentioned your third takeaway already before, which was that’s what he lee proverb, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together and we’ve talked a little bit about that already, so I want to make sure we get to your fourth one, which was live to love and you’ve already kind of talked about that with love, like you’ve never been hurt, but I want to know a little bit more about live to love because it’s still. It still is a little different than what you said earlier.
Yeah. I think that we could have our heads on a swivel looking to make a difference and we can live to love and whenever we’d live to love, it’s only natural that we’re going to love to live, but I feel like most people want the other first. We want to love our lives. We want to be comfortable, we want to have all the stuff and we think that once we we are comfortable and once we have our materialistic stuff, then we will love our life. But really, I think we have to live to love first, just have our head on a swivel looking to, to love our neighbor, looking to love ourselves for me. Love God, love people. Um, that’s me personally. Um, and whenever, whenever we do those things well, it’s only going to be natural to love the life that we live, whether we’re comfortable or not, whether we have the materialistic stuff or we’re still waiting for it to come.
I love that. That’s so cool. I’m going to steal that one from you. If you live to love, you’ll love to live because that is so simply profound.
Yeah. And I would say for me, when I went through my addictions, I had those flipped a flipped upside down. Uh, they were in the wrong order.
And it reminds me when you said that I’ve, I’ve talked to people and I’ve, even, even myself sometimes, you know, I’ve heard someone has actually has told me, you know, well I want to be in a place where I can give or I can do this and that. And it’s, it’s all based on material. It’s all based upon, you know, US loving our live spurse and then being in a place where we have the opportunity and that’s far from the truth and I think that’s a, a lie that we, that we buy into a world and giving is uncomfortable. Giving is uncomfortable whether you have money or things or don’t have anything. Um, it’s a challenge. Um, and so when you said that, that’s, that’s what I thought about is, you know, the, the lie that we all had really buy into a lot of the times of, you know, well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go after my business first and I’m gonna I’m gonna make some money and then I’ll give and I’ll have the opportunity to give in or, or do whatever. And that is, that’s far from where we need to be.
Yeah, I agree with that for sure.
Wow. So the next one is what would you do if you knew you’d never fail? I’m asking myself that question.
Yeah. And that’s not, that’s not even a question. That’s like a takeaway for me.
Um, I, I heard that quote and then I kinda came up with, with something else, but it’s in the lives of others. What would you do? What the lives of others, what great difference would you make if you only knew you could, right? So if we just asked ourselves that question, what would we do in the lives of others? If we knew we wouldn’t fail or if we knew we only could. Um, and so what’s, what’s holding us back from, from doing that, like, let’s, let’s take all the stuff off the table that is stopping us or preventing us are the things that we imagine are the white great difference would we make in the lives of others. And so I’ve, I’ve personally answered that for myself myself. I would, uh, I would fight for people I would live to love. I would, um, I would, I would fight specifically for the pygmies, for the bullied, for the thirsty.
And then, and then let’s, if that’s what I know I would do with my life, then I’m going to go after that. And as obstacles come, I’ll, I’ll try to figure out my way around them, under him over Uhm, or straight through them because a lot of times the obstacle is the way life’s not going to be easy. It was never promised to us that life’s going to be sunshine and rainbows. But to fight for people that’s a worthy cause, to live, to love. I know I’m going to enjoy my life. And so what, what, what would I do if I knew I couldn’t fail?
So one thing you said in a video that we saw of you was that you quit the American dream for something else. Where this takeaway part of that decision and how hard was it to leave what you had been for what you have now?
Yeah, I would say that I did probably seven years ago, I was faced with the decision to give up my childhood dream, the American dream. That became a reality. Um, that actually turned into a nightmare real quick whenever I was doing it, just for myself, whenever I was fighting for something that wasn’t greater than myself, just from, for just for me. And that ended up being my, myself becoming a depressed drunk drug addict. Um, and so, uh, for me it was a god sized dream. It was a god given dream and living my life for that is much greater, as a higher purpose than myself. And so that’s, that’s been life changing. It’s been transformative. Uh, sometimes I look at my old life and look at my life now and they’re just so polar opposite and there’s nothing I would do to, uh, to, to go back to the old life I’m living just for me fighting just for myself. Um, and so yeah, it’s been something that, that, that I would never go back to.
Yeah. Talk about a testimony of being a new creation. Yeah. Pretty. Pretty powerful. Uh, well thank. And we know that that’s not, that’s not because of you. Yeah.
Yeah. If I tried to take credit for it, it would be a foolish.
But this last takeaway you might take credit for if you need a reminder that you aren’t in charge, get a bulldog. Alright. Give it to us. Yeah.
So I, uh, I got a bulldog and I thought that I could train any dog. My old dog, I would snap once he had said I’d snap twice. He laid down. I’m, I’m picturing it now. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, and I, he was a massive, uh, uh, Connie Corso and Italian mastiff. So a big dog that some would say we’re stubborn breeds and uh, he would listen to anything and everything. I can take them off the leash and go running in the mountains, training for a fight and the squirrel could run by a fox, a deer and elk. Anything she’d come by and it, would you just, his focus was on me and if I was going to let them chase it or not, sometimes I would for fun, but, but most times I’d say nope right by my side. And he’d be right there. Yeah. So a bulldog, bulldog has reminded me that I’m not in charge, um, that, uh, that I might have my idea of what the future should be or how life should look. But really we’re all individuals and we all have A. I don’t know, we all have pride in what we want to do and the life that we want to create and make and it’s going to look different for each person. We’re all unique and in all decide our future, and so for me it’s just a bonus one kind of tongue in cheek.
That’s awesome. Well that I think that’s great, but definitely put things in perspective just in this conversation was so fantastic. I know our listeners are gonna. Love it. I want to recap the five takeaways. Once again, love like you’ve never been hurt. If you think you’re too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a tent with a mosquito. If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. Live to love, fight for people. What would you do if you knew you’d never fail? And bonus takeaway, for those of you who’s pride is getting to him, if you need a reminder that you aren’t in charge, get a bull dog.
That is great. Well, I, again, truly appreciate your testimony and the, uh, the life that you’re living. Catherine, I continue to be amazed with the people that we talked to and just the humbling experience. It is for us just to hear your testimony, so if no one else listens to this, please know that you have made an impact in our lives and we’ll definitely be sharing your story with others so they may be impacted as well and we hope that influence as well too, to make changes in their life and to actually decide to, to love and so we really appreciate you being with us today. We want to remind everyone to make sure and subscribe and give a review of this podcast. Wow. There’s so much to say and don’t forget. As always, if you are looking for insurance quotes that don’t sting try out You can quickly shop online for insurance and you will find qualified agents of your choice and just remember that you have no harassing phone calls and no spam emails. We don’t sell your information. Guys, we are striving to be a light and a refreshing experience in the insurance world and we are going to take what Justin said today and put it into play with BriteBee and we look forward to seeing what happens with that. Justin, we really appreciate your time and we will talk to everyone next time.

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