The Hive Five Podcast
5 Key Takeaways from Michael Hirsch
1. Find a need and fill it.
2. People will most support what they have been given opportunity to create themselves.
3. Greatest need of the hour – S.E.L (Social emotional learning)
4. Rediscover your why
5. Love never fails
On the Hive Five today, we are really excited to sit down with Michael Hirsch. Michael is the founder and executive director of Loveworks Leadership, a nonprofit organization in Norman, Oklahoma and a partner of BriteBee. Loveworks works to create a place that students want to hang out after school, but where they can also learn leadership and character skills. Students are also taught through experiential learning, and taught to build competence.
Michael started Loveworks Leadership seven and a half years ago in Norman when he identified a need for eleven to fourteen year olds. This age group has the fewest amount of after school opportunities, and he wanted to fill this lack of opportunity in the Norman area. The goal became to help junior high students discover their purpose, passion, and their dream. It started with Loveworks Outreach, and working with food banks and homeless shelters. It has since become Loveworks Leadership, a very cool after school opportunity completely free to students that want to participate two days a week. They start their time at Loveworks with high fives and encouragement from staff and volunteers every time they attend. In fact, it’s so cool that right through the front doors is a ball pit. Michael talks about the change that is seen in kids from start to finish in the program. Academic performance improves, behavior at home changes, and the student’s level of respect changes as well.
Michael has some crazy awesome hair. It looks like he didn’t get ready at all, but he actually gets ready, to look as if he didn’t get ready. He also spends a lot of time exercising. Starting about six years ago, Michael started training for triathlon iron man races.
Michael is an awesome guy to talk to and Loveworks is a fantastic organization. We hope that you enjoy this episode, and hope that you will give us a review and rating.
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Keagan, I know one thing, you are not are going to have to step up our energy level after talking to Michael. I don’t know how he does it. I’m ramping it up right now. Well, one thing is for sure if love works would’ve been around when we were kids, I would have literally been running out of the schoolhouse.
I want to go home. I just go straight to law school house. How old are you? Who uses schoolhouse anymore? I’m an old soul. Well, I know that
I would have started another five businesses and have the energy that might a good thing. It wasn’t around when we were kids. That’s probably true.
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Michael, welcome. Well thank you guys. It is just an honor to be on the APP this episode with you guys and I’m really excited to be able to share just about our organization. Love works in leadership and it’s an organization that we started a little over seven years ago and it began here in Norman, Oklahoma when we saw a huge need not only just in our community but in surrounding cities across Oklahoma and even across our nation and it happened to be along the lines of a lack of opportunity for junior high students. So to give our listeners context, we’re talking about ages 11, 12, 13 and 14 that have the fewest amount of afterschool opportunities available to them and so we really stepped in a little over seven years ago and we created an organization to meet that need in really to be able to help a junior high students begin to take steps towards discovering their purpose, their passion, and living into their dreams.
How did you guys discover the name? Yeah, so we created a, an outreach, a once a month outreach in our community that was called at that time love works outreach and it was really unique where we would identify different, different philanthropic efforts in our community is ranging from food banks to homeless shelters and we would team up volunteers, college students, young professionals, older professionals, you know, that would God into the community. And it was just all about just being consistent in the, in the, in the lives of those that we would, that we would reach and that we would touch. And you know, someone just kind of mentioned just the name, like, Hey, like, you know, love, just, you know, something that just like always works. It never fails. And, and uh, and so when I heard that name, you know, it always stuck in the back of my mind that one day that we would do something and we create something using using that word. And little did I know that it would be the word that we would use to really, I think best describe our work that we’re doing here in Norman now.
That’s awesome. Michael, tell us a little bit about you and what love works does. I mean, we’ve been, the love works and I want to paint that picture for everybody else who’s listening because gas, you walk in, the very first thing they have is a ball pit. It’s like Mcdonald’s as a child, but a lot cleaner. Yeah, yeah. It’s way cleaner than mcdonalds. No offense. But it’s so cool in love works and you walk in and you’re like, man, I want to be a kid again because this place is awesome.
Absolutely. Wanted to thank you for saying that. We wanted to create a place that students would love to spend time after school and I think it’s appropriate to mention this just about how we start off at a junior high student, starts off their day at work because I’m on the high five podcast and that’s how our students enter in our campus every single day. And so imagine a group of students getting off a big school bus and our staff and our army of volunteer leaders are outside with big smiles and were cheering and we’re high fiving every student that walks into their campus that really just sets the energy, uh, and, and, and just an opportunity for us to be able to look each student at the eye and just let them know that hey, somebody is thinking about them, you know, in this moment and that we care about them.
And that really kind of sets the tone for what we create at love works. And so students have the opportunity to participate in our program two days a week. And on that first day that they’re at love works. We really focus on the leadership and character development side of things and then the second day is when we’re focusing on building competence and then we’re really focusing on the experiential learning component and we have an over 12,000 square foot campus here and 13 different studios that we have younger. We have older professionals and retirees that volunteer their time and they shared their passion, uh, with our, with our students everyday.
What does the change look like? I mean, is there a change in the kids from when they start to, to when they finish? I mean, do you, do you see a life change in them?
Oh, we definitely do. And, and it happens a lot sooner than, than you would think. In fact, it’s quite interesting to note to note that students that first start participating and love works, we’ll pull one of our staff aside and it’s interesting that some of the first things that they’ll ask us questions about his, you know, what? So this is like, imagine a sixth grade student is beginning to ask a question. Well, you know, what will happen, you know, after, um, promoted from middle school into high school where there’ll be stumped, they’ll still be an opportunity for me that love works would provide. And so you, you see just right away, you know, that they’re, that they’re falling, they’ve been captured just by the environment, you know, that our amazing staff and leaders create here. But then, you know, love works. We believe that, you know, a person has never too young to be a leader and it’s so exciting to watch the continents is in the faces of our students change over time when they begin to realize that they have a purpose, that there’s a plan for their life and we provide opportunities here at love, works in a safe environment for them to be able to do that and to be able to experience that.
And uh, and the change that we’ve seen is carried over into students’ academic performance in school. We hear from parents that are pulling us aside and they’re talking about now how, uh, they just noticed that their son or their daughter is level of respect or the way that they’re treating their siblings has changed and we believe that’s a game changer. You know, if we’re noticing a change in home and in school, you know, that really is encouraging to us. You know, about the work that’s taking place.
Michael, I’m going to compliment you for just a moment and tell everybody a little bit about you as a person. If y’all haven’t caught on yet, we’ll have to share a picture in our show notes. But Michael is the most enthusiastic, smiley, happy, outgoing going gonna give you a hug the moment and he sees you kind of person. Every time we hear you or talk to you or see you. We just are so filled with joy. And so it must take a really special person like you to do that with these kids every day. And, and for them to trust you and confide in you and look forward to seeing you. And, um, I just think that that’s awesome. And also your crazy awesome hair I know must be a big hit with the kids that love work.
Thank you so much for saying that. I’ve mentioned our team just a few times and we just have an amazing staff here that I really believe that we bring out the best in each other. So thanks for saying that about my hair. You know, listeners, I’m glad you mentioned that, that they will be able to later see a picture of me out in public. I’m known as three, um, three, three names that I typically hear. I’m either the love works guy, I’m the salsa guy and we’re going. I think we’re going to talk about that a little bit later, but the majority of people know me as the hair guy and the best way I can describe it is that I wake up in the morning to get ready to look. I didn’t get ready.
When did this start? This start when you were younger, did it, I mean, did this start
recently or what did you do all this? That’s a great question and I do have to credit my now wife at the time we were, we were dating and I don’t know, maybe I can chalk this up as one of the big five takeaways, takeaways for the guys that are listening to this episode, but my wife and I were dating in college and she took a little bit longer to get ready than she told me that she was. And so I thought that I would throw her off and that I would kind of mess up my hair and make it all crazy. And, and so long story short, I finally met her down in the lobby. We’re again in college at the time and she saw the elevator doors opened and then she would just like be dazzled by my hair. And so that just kind of became a thing and I, I kept that going ever since.
Oh my gosh, that’s great. Well, I’ve decided that you’re the only one that can pull that off. If I did that, I would look like that. I had a toupee that was just to the wrong side. So. So you’re doing it. You’re done. Well,
well I do.
I do want to. I know that you’re not big on talking all about yourself, but I, I do want to talk about just quickly your personal life because this flows over into love works and, and we, we see that by some of the things that you do and one of those things are your different activities in exercise. Tell us a little bit about that. I really like to know more about that.
Definitely different activities and exercise. I was asking a question. It was a couple years ago. We were in San Diego and this is kind of a get to know you icebreaker time and someone asked me the question, I haven’t been asked this in a while and they said, Michael, what do you like to do for fun? And you’d think that’d be a pretty easy question to answer. And, and I pause for a few seconds and I looked up at him and I said, you know, for fun, I train for triathlon ironman and he kind of looked at me like that’s your fun, but it has become my fun and my thing. Starting about six years ago, and I can honestly say that while I started training for a triathlon six years ago, it was one of the first dreams I remember having a as a kid and I watched a father and son is an amazing story, compete in the Kona ironman challenge.
And I saw this, I saw this documentary on Espn Sports. I don’t remember and impression on my heart thinking to myself that one day I would love to cross the finish line of an Ironman, uh, for your listeners that are still thinking about Tony Stark and the movie we are talking about something different, but an ironman is a combination of three different disciplines of swimming, biking and running. And I do the full ironman. And so our swim consists of a two point four mile swim, a 112 mile bike ride and then a full marathon, 26, two miles and you have 17 hours to finish. And so I just finished my fifth full ironman in Port Elizabeth only back in April. And I’m training for my sixth in Cozumel, Mexico. So we’re, we’re excited about that. And that’s going to be a family trip together.
I’m sitting here shaking my head, if only my hobby was training for intense physical activity, I would probably be a lot different versus. That’s awesome. Michael, what is your thought when you’re, when you’re doing that, I mean, when you’re, you’ve already swam, I don’t know the order, but you’ve swam, you’re running. What is your thought? Are you thinking, why did I do this? Or are you thinking this is exactly what I signed up to do and I’m loving it.
I wish it was pretty, but it’s not. And, and I, I think I have thought in every one of the five races at some point and in a few races multiple times, like why am I doing this? And it’s actually going to be one of the high five takeaways that we’re going to talk about in just a and just a little bit. Um, but yeah, I definitely have those thoughts, but I believe that this, that completing these races, I don’t compete in these races. For me, I, I, I’m, I’m, I’m completing, um, I’m doing my best to, to finish it. But I believe that it’s carried over into every area of my life and I was really honest, you know, I look back at just growing up in high school and even in college and I remember that I was the guy and I don’t know if your listener can relate or if you guys can relate, but you know, I was the guy that had a lot of great ideas and a few of those I would even take steps forward with and set into motion.
But I unfortunately quit a good number of things that I look back on that I regret that I had quit those things. And, and so in each of those moments during a race that I thought I’ve thought about like, why am I doing this? And just be so much easier to stop into, grab a cold drink and a shower and eat a pizza or a hamburger and go home. I thought about, you know, those moments when I was growing up, you know, and I had stopped doing something. I’ve quit something prematurely. And then I thought back to, you know, why we made this family commitment? And you know, I’ve got my family that’s waiting for me at the finish line that’s counting on me. I have even the students a support, you know, back here, you know, in Norman that are counting on me. And so those are the things that really drive me forward to eventually crawl, almost crawl across that finish line.
Wow. I honestly can’t even imagine. I mean, that’s, that’s amazing. Well, listeners, we want y’all to know, we’ve heard your comments, we’ve taken them into practice and we are going to start jumping into our five key takeaways earlier into the podcast. That way we can spend the majority of our time on these things that you really want to hear that provide you value. So in true fashion, Michael, let’s go ahead and
start with your five key takeaways and we’ll elaborate on those a little bit more. Can we do air, air, high fives with you and your listeners right now? Let’s jump in. Tell us your first takeaway of the five. Yeah, I think I can say about each of these that they’re my favorite, but this of course it really impacted me in a huge way. And the first one, the first takeaway is finding a need and filling it. And I think it was, I think it was aristotle who even said that, you know, where your talent and the needs of the world cross, um, that there lies your vacation. And I spent, I spent a lot of time, you know, even back like an early college in being inundated with lots of questions of like, what are you going to do with your life? And sometimes I think we can make it more complicated than that.
It even needs to be. And, and personally speaking, I’ll never forget that I was presented with an opportunity to go out into the community to volunteer at an apartment complex, a area. So it’s kind of a lower socioeconomic area and I’ll never forget riding a school bus over to this apartment complex. And we had some food on the bus. So we’re going to hand out. And I was even kind of thinking myself like, you know, should I even be doing this, like why am I waking up even as early as this evening again to make a difference or an impact? And as the bus was pulling into this area, I’ll never forget just all of these kids, young boys and girls that were running from their homes and apartments, uh, out to the bus with big smiles on their face. And I was just completely surprised by that.
And then it was just a little soccer ball that I used to play soccer with these kids and for a couple of hours and I was 23 at the time and I’ll never forget that night going to bed. And just before I fell asleep, I felt, I felt this. I had this thought of like for the first time I feel like my life, you know, this day had meaning and have purpose behind it. And so I just made a commitment that, you know, I’m going to live my life and lead my life or I’m going to find, I find needs and I’m going to do my best to fill them. And so looking at love works. We did that seven and a half years ago and I mentioned this earlier, but we saw a need, an unmet need in our community that wasn’t being filled and it was to provide an opportunity to work with middle school age students.
And so seven and a half years ago, we started the love works leadership organization, which began working with 27 students at that time. Uh, and now seven and a half years later, we worked with over 10,000 students across the state of Oklahoma. That is unbelievable. You know, another example of this is just three years ago, one of our favorite stories that we love to tell is about our real kitchen salsa business that we helped a group of middle school students start at the age of 11, 12. And, and while we started this entrepreneurial effort, you know, we saw a need that wasn’t being met in even our organization and in our community, but it was providing small business and entrepreneurship opportunities for, again, junior high students. And, you know, we just had this thought, well, you know, why wait until high school or taking business classes in college, but why not create these opportunities now?
And so it’s another great example of us seeing a need and filling it. And now we’re working on our third startup small business, uh, at love works. And the last name that I would say that we’re filling is a need that we see even just to reach a younger age student. Uh, we thought seven and a half years ago that the work we were doing at love works would be preventative. You know, that we’d prevent students from, you know, making, you know, a bad or negative choices, you know, that would lead them in a direction and their leadership journey. And we found that when we started working with sixth grade students, so that was more an intervention. And so we saw a need, uh, and we started a program now that’s called raising little leaders and we have a vision, a starting this fall to begin working with preguntar kindergarten students and eventually to create a leadership pipeline from pre kindergarten all the way through twelfth grade and the senior year in high school in my five year old already loves it and enjoys going to those, what do they call them?
What is the name of the. Yeah, so we call it, we call it. Yeah. So raising little leaders as the program. And then Saturday storytime storytime yes. Yes. And what a crazy time that is. Well, I was going to ask you additional questions on your first takeaway, but you already beat me to the pint and answered them all. So go ahead and tell us your second takeaway. Definitely this is another one of my favorite, uh, and something that took some time to learn and really put into practice. And I know this sounds obvious, but the second takeaway is that, you know, we really believe in, I believe that people will most support with. They have been given the opportunity to create themselves. And so really what we’re talking about here is we’re giving, we’re talking about giving those that we work with and that we lead a feeling of, I would say meaning and significance, you know, for them to know that their ideas, while they’re not always necessarily great, but they are important and that we need to believe in those ideas and those thoughts that, you know, either our students or our coworkers have.
And so we talk about this a lot. You know, we want to, we want to be able to give as much of love works as we can away, you know, to our students. And it’s been really interesting, you know, the change that we’ve seen, you know, over the last several years, you know, with that mentality. You hear it in the business world. Uh, oftentimes, uh, you know, ceos or presidents will talk about their employees that have been either an employee mindset or a mindset of ownership. And I really believe that when you give, you know, uh, again, your coworkers or the students opportunities to do things, not just to delegate the things that you don’t want to do a, but you actually empower them with important things. Things that have value, you know, we’ve just seen our students come alive, you know, over the last several years. And so that’s just something that we, you know, do our best to put into practice here as a team.
Well, I think there’s something to be said for that and I, it, it’s a lot easier to say that than to do it because I think our pride gets in the way when we’re leading. Wouldn’t you say that the reason why we don’t give people the opportunity to create is because it just might put us under some pressure ourselves?
Oh, absolutely. No, definitely. And I think to be honest, like, you know, there are times where I like to be out in front. I like to do, you know, the talking and I even have this feeling that, you know, the person to the left or the right of me, you know, I, I know right now where they’re either Aleisha journey is not going to be able to do it the exact same way that, that I would know. But that’s the only way though that they’re going to be able to grow and eventually be able to maximize and get that potential, you know, activated within them. But it’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a tricky thing to do. You know, it’s kind of funny. I mentioned the real kitchen salsa business, but I had this Aha moment two and a half years ago when we were at the farmer’s market in which we normally sell out of salsa.
We start selling at 8:00 AM and we’re no normally sold out by 11 slash 30. But I noticed that we sold the most salsa whenever I walked away from the table and our booth and gave our students again who are 12 years old, you know, the opportunity to give their sales pitch to, you know, fumble around, you know, uh, you know, with their words. But again, the real kitchen salsa business is not about Michael. It’s not about love works, you know, but it’s about the stories, you know, of our students and these young entrepreneurs. And so now I’ll find myself on a practical note. Uh, and I know this sounds obvious, but I’ll find myself even in, in, in meetings and so we have our team meetings on Friday mornings or in a board meeting that I’ll find myself just intentionally standing up and walking out of the room so the conversation can continue. And even if there’s important things that are being set, I’ll just walk out of the room and I didn’t do that every meeting, you know. But those are just like little, like tidbits and small things, you know, that we can do. I believe that can really help our team members. You know, I’m buying even more, you know, to the mission that we’re trying to accomplish
as much as we think that we’re giving opportunity when we’re in the room, sometimes we’re stifling the opportunity so it is better just to walk out sometimes. Your next takeaway, you said
greatest need of the hour s, e, l, what does that, so greatest need of the hour and this is. This is a big one and and I’m going to give just a if that’s okay. Just a little bit of background into this one, but scl stands for social emotional learning and it’s part of our methodology here at love works. And so just for a moment, if I could, I want to just paint a picture of this by taking a look at our generations and why this is going to be important for the CEO that is listening for the manager that is listening to this, to this episode for Moms and Dads that are listening, but if you think back to the generations. At one time the baby boomer generation was the largest generation of people who had ever lived until, not the Gen xers that came along, but until the millennials.
And so another words, there will be more boomers retiring from the workforce, then there will be gen xers to replace them. So ready or not, the millennials are here and soon after millennials, the generation that is following them. And that’s the generation that love works. Leadership is currently working with. They have a few different names. One of them, uh, commonly heard is Gen z and another is homelanders. Well, they’re right behind them. And what’s interesting though is that research is telling us that both anxiety and depression in kids has been on the rise since 2012. And the reality is that this is crossing over into all demographics. And so we’re not just talking like urban and rural, but we’re talking suburban. And so some of these symptoms that could be seen and what I’m talking about here would be, uh, a social withdrawal from either friends or family.
Um, you know, these students, these employees, these workers that are feeling overwhelmed by normal expectations, uh, sleeping far normal, far more than normal and even in some extreme cases we could be talking about self harming and we can be talking about eating disorders and, and so what love works has done as, so this idea of Sel, social emotional learning. It’s taking the k through 12 schools right now just by storm and conversations and how can we incorporate social emotional learning into our practices of school, you know, while at the same time, still trying to keep up with standardized testing. And so it works. What we do is we use what we call a three prong approach, uh, and sel. And so where we focus, I mentioned earlier on the character development within our students where we focused on competence, but then we also focus on the side of community engagement and community impact.
And so here’s what we’re, we’re focusing on a few things on helping students to, uh, begin maybe for the first time to really start taking initiative on their own and not just having mom or dad or guardian, you know, do life or do things for them. We’re really working with students on time management to really focus on the things in life that really count. We’re spending a lot of time really helping students to begin to understand, you know, in priorities, uh, we’re helping students develop plans for personal growth outside of the classroom or workplace. And then this one’s a Biggie, a US helping students to identify their unique strengths and passions to really help them to develop a healthy self image. And so that’s just a practice that, you know, that we’re setting in motion, you know, here, you know, at love works. That’s part of our programming that we can hope that we hope that’s going to combat some of the research that we’re, uh, that we’re saying, which that probably brings us into the next takeaway of rediscovery or why I would say that greatest need of the hour, if you can, if you can get that down and it probably will help you rediscover your why, Ron.
No, absolutely. A rediscovering your why is huge, you know, is uh, it was Viktor Frankl who was a survivor of the Holocaust, you know, and he said that if you know your why in life, you know, why you exist, that you can endure a anyhow, and I’ll just be honest with you, you know, you, you asked me earlier just about the ironman race and when things, and I think your listener can relate to this and maybe they haven’t done a triathlon, but, you know, life can be hard. It’s not always hard. Life can be fun, but you know, the struggle is definitely real and the storms and the challenge will come, you know, and I’ve found myself, uh, you know, in a, in a slow, in a slow drift, uh, but it’s been this idea of going back to my why and my personal why has to do right now.
And I think your wife changes over the years. I mean, my why at the age of 41 is definitely different than what my why was at the age of 21, but my why today, you know, has to do with legacy. And so when I start thinking about the choices that I make, every choice or how I’m spending my time, I’m thinking about the legacy and you know, how others lives had been influenced by the life that I’m living. So my legacy and right now and I make choices and decisions I think about my wife. I think about my kids. I think about love work students. I think about my colleagues. I think about our partners in our community. So I really believe that, that, why when we, you rediscover it, it’s going to help me and our listeners to really find our way again. Uh, and, you know, still remember what it used to be like when we first started, maybe our business, you know, in the very beginning and everything was so new and so exciting. And uh, again, I think that why is just so key to keep us on track. I think that that is a very, very important point.
And I’m sitting here looking at your fifth key takeaway and it is actually one of my favorite, favorite pieces of scripture and one of my favorite things that I’ve probably ever heard, love never fails. It’s so true. And I think, yeah, I mean I’m just sitting here and I’m like, wow, how simple and how deep at the same time, like love never fails. And I know that you’ve already talked about love works and how that factored into the name. But I think that so often people can just in, in general, like I’m sitting here thinking, you know, you get caught in traffic and you start talking to the person next to you, like, hey man, what do you do? Don’t you down to drive, you know, and that’s not obviously a very good practice of love. And um, how often we get so caught up in ourselves, just that we forget what it, what it truly means to love each other.
No, there’s no question. You know, I heard a, um, you know, this, our last takeaway here, I, I once heard a, how we put it into practice. I once heard a story once about a young boy, his name was John O’leary and he was burned over 97 percent of his body in a fire. And his childhood hero growing up was the voice of St Louis Cardinals Major League baseball. His name was Joe Buck. And so imagine this little nine year old boy isn’t a hospital and he’s, he’s bandaged 100 percent of his body. So he opened up his eyes. He can’t see anything and he’s lying there. And the doctors have told them and he’s overheard, you know, doctors tell his parents that his chances of living, you know, are very slim and he hears the door open of his hospital room and he thinks it’s a doctor and a nurse, and then he starts hearing footsteps and the next thing that he hears is this booming voice of his childhood hero, Joe Buck saying, boy, you are going to live.
And as soon as you get out of here, we are going to have John O’leary Day at the ballpark. And John couldn’t believe it. This is a childhood hero. But what I love about this story is that on the second day, Joe Buck returned and came back and there was a third day and there was a one month later and the three month later. And that’s what love is all about. I mean, love. It keeps going. It never gives up. It never fails. It keeps coming back. Uh, and I believe that it will be the force that will see this generation of students be given the hope that it needs to be the hope that this world so desperately has to have. And uh, and I love that. Yeah, love never fails. Wow. Well, we are so thankful to have you on today and you know, as, as the bright blue team, we’re
grateful that you’ve allowed us to be a part of what you’re doing and actually just have a very small piece, uh, in, in what you guys are accomplishing over there. So we’re so thankful for that. I want to remind everyone to think about these takeaways again, find a need and fill it people will most support what they have been given the opportunity to create greatest need of the hour, sel, social, emotional learning. Rediscover your why and love never fails. Guys, act upon this. Don’t just listen to this, but act upon it and it will truly change your life. Michael, thank you again for being on. I hope we didn’t waste too much here.
It has been an absolute pleasure. I wish you could see how my hair looks because it is really a locking today just for this podcast, but you are all of the bass and I so love the work that you’re doing and then the need that you are meeting in the insurance world and it’s a. it’s incredible. So, so thank you both and team,
man. We’re grateful. Well, we want to remind everyone to subscribe and to give us a review on this podcast, man. Please tell us what you thought of the conversation that we had today. And don’t forget if you are looking for insurance quotes that don’t sting tribe, right? Be Out. Go to BriteBee dot com, click get a quote and you will find qualified agents of your choice under your control. Guys, have a wonderful day and we will see you next time.
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